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re: The Darker the Art.........
[7280] by "Nosferatu Dallion" (pppa67-resalehampton1-4r7155.dia)   on Sat 17 Nov 2001 12:45:28     reply ] [ up ]
Oh please Vla none of the films I speak of ever had the commercial or pop status of The Matrix or Harry Potter...I doubt you have seen half of them really.Are you going to tell me that addressing man kinds fears and commenting on society by using fears as proxy is not art?Why show Talibans when you can get the same effect by showing corpses devouring a child in the streets.You are an elitist that thinks the know everything.How can you say Dali was no artist?Please...are you going to tell me Frida Kahlo and Bosch were not artists either because they would rather paint a decaying body or some phantasmagoric creature instead of a field of flowers or naked Grecian man?I suspose Clive Barker and Lovecraft were not artists either?About the money in that film it was the first timet that particular use of money was used and it was quite symbolic.You are so educated you would know symbolism is important in art right?No I do not believe in a god per se in the JudeoChristian version of it but I think forces beyond humanitys control exists.Afterall did you see all the supernatural references in Last Cereal in seasons two and three?What is art Vla?The Sistine Chapel?The Mona Lisa?You seem like the type that believes in that outdated concept of art having to be beautiful and really I do not see why you like Last Cereal.It seems more like something your oh so educated mind would call pop or garbage.So do not tell me what is art and what to believe in and what exists because I know more than you that when the bonds of flesh are broken the world becomes more apparent.
re: The Darker the Art.........
[7294] by "0magus" (adsl-63-196-7-18.dsl.snfc21.pacb)   on Sun 18 Nov 2001 04:50:09     reply ] [ up ]
you are agruing my case for me.

i am saying that we both have different perspecitives on all "art" type events. we cant discuss art unless we note this perspecitive discrepency. for perspecitves near our own, its interesting to see whats arround some corners which another person can see. for perspectives very different from our own, we get frustrated becuase we cant see what the other person is discribing.

vla, we can both look at a thing that is most certainly "art" in the popular definition: a painting or something. i might say "i think this is good art." and you might say "i think this art sucks." and we now know our opinions on the piece. we might then discuss the why of these opinions.
but when i say "i like this piece of art" and you reply "what art? i see nothing artistic about it. all i see is trash." it makes for a bit of un-necessary tention, and certainly isnt helping us understand one another's view points.

so, we should just agree that things are good art and then say that we feel its good art ot bad art. not in the absolute sence (i dont think there can be one) as you seem to think i ment. rather, we state our views and let it be known what we think.

final point, i chose The Matrix as a film example for 2 reasons: it did well in the box office, which means that a lot of people got it. i am not saying that a movie doing well means its "good art" (Home Alone... ugth), but it dose bespeak good directing, as its a story embraced by the popular imagination. i also chose The Matrix becuase its ubiquitisness. had i cited something more obcure, i run the risk of you not knowing what im talking about, which would defeat the purpose of me talking.

but i might be wrong.